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	<title>Kommentare zu: Fed to follow in ECB&#8217;s footsteps?</title>
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		<title>Von: Oli</title>
		<link>http://www.ridingthedax.com/2008/06/09/fed-to-follow-in-ecbs-footsteps/#comment-273</link>
		<dc:creator>Oli</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Jun 2008 19:42:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You can stop studying :D 

You already have more knowledge than all the CEOs on Wall St. :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You can stop studying <img src='http://www.ridingthedax.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_biggrin.gif' alt=':D' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>You already have more knowledge than all the CEOs on Wall St. <img src='http://www.ridingthedax.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /></p>
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		<title>Von: seth</title>
		<link>http://www.ridingthedax.com/2008/06/09/fed-to-follow-in-ecbs-footsteps/#comment-272</link>
		<dc:creator>seth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Jun 2008 14:29:58 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.ridingthedax.com/2008/06/09/fed-to-follow-in-ecbs-footsteps/#comment-272</guid>
		<description>zenki: Why would they stop?

That's a pretty good question.  One that I'm not sure I'm quite qualified yet to answer (note: I really only started paying close attention to this in the last year).

Unfortunately, to examine "why would they stop" requires that at least we accept for a moment what seems like a pretty outrageous postulate: They were trying to save the (big) banks. To back up this, maybe give it a bit more credibility.  The rate cuts the fed makes to the banks are pretty much instant.  Adjustable rate mortgages adjust 1-2 times a year (every 6-12 months).  So, the 'rate cut' helps the bank first, and *maybe* 6-12 months later helps home owners.  How many of them are too far underwater by then?

There's a good reason I put 'maybe helps home owners' above.  Anybody who's ever had even just a credit card has heard the phrase 'prime + XX%'.  And if you look at ARMs, you see the same verbiage in those as well.  The question is though: who's prime?  Most home mortgages prime means things like COFI, LIBOR, MTA, etc...not 'federal fund rate.'  True, the fed rate effects these other indexes, but a lot of other things effect them too.

So, under some light shades of paranoia it's easily possible to think that the rate cuts, lending directly to the hedge funds/investment banks, etc was all done to create moderate amounts of inflation.  The idea was: print more virtual money (make M2 and mostly M3 larger), net effect is the sea of dollars grows larger.  

The problem is: things have 'real' value.  If we all woke up tomorrow and there was exactly twice the dollars everywhere (your bank account had twice the balance, your pay check was twice as much, etc) you'd see a massive spike in 'inflation' as very quickly the dollar figure on your house leapt to twice what it is today.  The price of a box of corn flakes would do the same.  Eventually everything would sort itself back out to similar ratios as what they are now.

When you hear people speculate that the rate cut was for the big banks, this is the line of thought they are following.  The banks are holding notes that say these houses are worth $XX, what people are willing to pay for those houses is quite a bit less then that.  If you could grow the sea of money, eventually the dollar figures on the debt and the dollar figure on the houses would match again, and the banks would become solvent again (on paper).

The problem is, Americans don't like inflation anywhere other then their paycheck. And given that their paycheck will be one of the last things that'll catch up with inflation, how do you prevent them from out right revolting until you complete the 'inflate the money supply' fix.  Well...if you want to go further down crazy lane: you fudge the inflation numbers. You take things like 'energy' and 'food' out of them, all with the rational that 'food and energy are too volatile, and make it hard to read real inflation.'  I don't know about you, but those are a pretty significant portion of my budget, and fall into a category that I call 'Non-optional variable expenses.'  The name says quite a bit: I have to buy these things, and I have no control over the price.  If an iPhone gets too expensive, I won't buy one.  If food gets too expensive: I starve?

Anyway, the point is, when the inflation figures start hitting energy and food commodities, people sit up and notice *really* fast that something wrong even if their government is telling them that everything is fine.  At that point, people like Ben who want to help his banking buddies have to start doing their real job, or worry that congress will do something drastic to him.

So, anyway, there's your trip to crazy land for the day.  The government/industrial complex loves you and cares for you deeply.  All of the above is purely fiction.  Any resemblance to persons living or dead is purely coincidental.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>zenki: Why would they stop?</p>
<p>That&#8217;s a pretty good question.  One that I&#8217;m not sure I&#8217;m quite qualified yet to answer (note: I really only started paying close attention to this in the last year).</p>
<p>Unfortunately, to examine &#8220;why would they stop&#8221; requires that at least we accept for a moment what seems like a pretty outrageous postulate: They were trying to save the (big) banks. To back up this, maybe give it a bit more credibility.  The rate cuts the fed makes to the banks are pretty much instant.  Adjustable rate mortgages adjust 1-2 times a year (every 6-12 months).  So, the &#8216;rate cut&#8217; helps the bank first, and *maybe* 6-12 months later helps home owners.  How many of them are too far underwater by then?</p>
<p>There&#8217;s a good reason I put &#8216;maybe helps home owners&#8217; above.  Anybody who&#8217;s ever had even just a credit card has heard the phrase &#8216;prime + XX%&#8217;.  And if you look at ARMs, you see the same verbiage in those as well.  The question is though: who&#8217;s prime?  Most home mortgages prime means things like COFI, LIBOR, MTA, etc&#8230;not &#8216;federal fund rate.&#8217;  True, the fed rate effects these other indexes, but a lot of other things effect them too.</p>
<p>So, under some light shades of paranoia it&#8217;s easily possible to think that the rate cuts, lending directly to the hedge funds/investment banks, etc was all done to create moderate amounts of inflation.  The idea was: print more virtual money (make M2 and mostly M3 larger), net effect is the sea of dollars grows larger.  </p>
<p>The problem is: things have &#8216;real&#8217; value.  If we all woke up tomorrow and there was exactly twice the dollars everywhere (your bank account had twice the balance, your pay check was twice as much, etc) you&#8217;d see a massive spike in &#8216;inflation&#8217; as very quickly the dollar figure on your house leapt to twice what it is today.  The price of a box of corn flakes would do the same.  Eventually everything would sort itself back out to similar ratios as what they are now.</p>
<p>When you hear people speculate that the rate cut was for the big banks, this is the line of thought they are following.  The banks are holding notes that say these houses are worth $XX, what people are willing to pay for those houses is quite a bit less then that.  If you could grow the sea of money, eventually the dollar figures on the debt and the dollar figure on the houses would match again, and the banks would become solvent again (on paper).</p>
<p>The problem is, Americans don&#8217;t like inflation anywhere other then their paycheck. And given that their paycheck will be one of the last things that&#8217;ll catch up with inflation, how do you prevent them from out right revolting until you complete the &#8216;inflate the money supply&#8217; fix.  Well&#8230;if you want to go further down crazy lane: you fudge the inflation numbers. You take things like &#8216;energy&#8217; and &#8216;food&#8217; out of them, all with the rational that &#8216;food and energy are too volatile, and make it hard to read real inflation.&#8217;  I don&#8217;t know about you, but those are a pretty significant portion of my budget, and fall into a category that I call &#8216;Non-optional variable expenses.&#8217;  The name says quite a bit: I have to buy these things, and I have no control over the price.  If an iPhone gets too expensive, I won&#8217;t buy one.  If food gets too expensive: I starve?</p>
<p>Anyway, the point is, when the inflation figures start hitting energy and food commodities, people sit up and notice *really* fast that something wrong even if their government is telling them that everything is fine.  At that point, people like Ben who want to help his banking buddies have to start doing their real job, or worry that congress will do something drastic to him.</p>
<p>So, anyway, there&#8217;s your trip to crazy land for the day.  The government/industrial complex loves you and cares for you deeply.  All of the above is purely fiction.  Any resemblance to persons living or dead is purely coincidental.</p>
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		<title>Von: Oli</title>
		<link>http://www.ridingthedax.com/2008/06/09/fed-to-follow-in-ecbs-footsteps/#comment-271</link>
		<dc:creator>Oli</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Jun 2008 11:06:52 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.ridingthedax.com/2008/06/09/fed-to-follow-in-ecbs-footsteps/#comment-271</guid>
		<description>It was never magic ... it always was manipulation only ...

magic does good to people ... manipulation not ... ;)

Even they found out, that if they keep doing wrong things, it will be WORSE :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It was never magic &#8230; it always was manipulation only &#8230;</p>
<p>magic does good to people &#8230; manipulation not &#8230; <img src='http://www.ridingthedax.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Even they found out, that if they keep doing wrong things, it will be WORSE <img src='http://www.ridingthedax.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /></p>
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		<title>Von: zenki</title>
		<link>http://www.ridingthedax.com/2008/06/09/fed-to-follow-in-ecbs-footsteps/#comment-270</link>
		<dc:creator>zenki</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Jun 2008 10:37:11 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.ridingthedax.com/2008/06/09/fed-to-follow-in-ecbs-footsteps/#comment-270</guid>
		<description>u said it yourself,
"100% correct … rate cuts were tools to save the banks … nothing else"

why would they undo their magic when it's not through yet?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>u said it yourself,<br />
&#8220;100% correct … rate cuts were tools to save the banks … nothing else&#8221;</p>
<p>why would they undo their magic when it&#8217;s not through yet?</p>
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		<title>Von: Oli</title>
		<link>http://www.ridingthedax.com/2008/06/09/fed-to-follow-in-ecbs-footsteps/#comment-269</link>
		<dc:creator>Oli</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Jun 2008 07:43:29 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.ridingthedax.com/2008/06/09/fed-to-follow-in-ecbs-footsteps/#comment-269</guid>
		<description>@ Eric ... it will be especially interesting to hear Bernanke explaining, why the crisis is over ... as it is not :)

@ Zenki ... use whatever language ... I'm a trader ... I know the "words" ... No, I 'm not kidding at all :)

@ Seth ... 100% correct ... rate cuts were tools to save the banks ... nothing else ...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ Eric &#8230; it will be especially interesting to hear Bernanke explaining, why the crisis is over &#8230; as it is not <img src='http://www.ridingthedax.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>@ Zenki &#8230; use whatever language &#8230; I&#8217;m a trader &#8230; I know the &#8220;words&#8221; &#8230; No, I &#8216;m not kidding at all <img src='http://www.ridingthedax.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>@ Seth &#8230; 100% correct &#8230; rate cuts were tools to save the banks &#8230; nothing else &#8230;</p>
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		<title>Von: seth</title>
		<link>http://www.ridingthedax.com/2008/06/09/fed-to-follow-in-ecbs-footsteps/#comment-268</link>
		<dc:creator>seth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Jun 2008 05:07:09 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.ridingthedax.com/2008/06/09/fed-to-follow-in-ecbs-footsteps/#comment-268</guid>
		<description>I was thinking today, more about how speculators may or may not be effecting commodities markets (specifically oil).  Back when the FED was doing all the cutting, oil (and everything else) kept going up, the dollar kept sinking.  People would always point out that oil's cost wasn't increasing any faster then the price of gold.  Anybody looked at the price of gold recently?  Not to say that it isn't high, but the similar rise in cost of oil vs cost of gold/oz quit being true back in late May.

Just...food for thought.

That said, I totally believe that we're due to enter into some inflation.  Producer Price Index (PPI, what the Manufacturers pay for their inputs for those of you who are learning like me) has been up for some time now.  I think all the manufacturers are trying to keep their prices down, living on a lower profit hoping to undercut the competitors. The airlines did this for quite a while here a month or two ago.  They would try to put fuel surcharges on, but one or more of them would roll it back to try and get a larger share of the customers.  I suspect that there are a lot of industries out there like that, hoping their competitor raises prices first.

I think we could do with some interest rate hikes.  At least some.  I never fully bought into the idea that it was saving people from getting booted out of their house.  Mortgages adjust slowly...I have this odd feeling that most of the really bad cases were already so far underwater by the time the rate cuts came through that it didn't help them anyway.  

There are days the paranoid and conspiracy theory part of my brain really thinks the rate cuts were for somebody else.  Eventually Ben and friends will have inflated the currency enough that the dollar values listed on those mortgage CDO's will match the values on the houses again.  Tada! Problem fixed, right?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was thinking today, more about how speculators may or may not be effecting commodities markets (specifically oil).  Back when the FED was doing all the cutting, oil (and everything else) kept going up, the dollar kept sinking.  People would always point out that oil&#8217;s cost wasn&#8217;t increasing any faster then the price of gold.  Anybody looked at the price of gold recently?  Not to say that it isn&#8217;t high, but the similar rise in cost of oil vs cost of gold/oz quit being true back in late May.</p>
<p>Just&#8230;food for thought.</p>
<p>That said, I totally believe that we&#8217;re due to enter into some inflation.  Producer Price Index (PPI, what the Manufacturers pay for their inputs for those of you who are learning like me) has been up for some time now.  I think all the manufacturers are trying to keep their prices down, living on a lower profit hoping to undercut the competitors. The airlines did this for quite a while here a month or two ago.  They would try to put fuel surcharges on, but one or more of them would roll it back to try and get a larger share of the customers.  I suspect that there are a lot of industries out there like that, hoping their competitor raises prices first.</p>
<p>I think we could do with some interest rate hikes.  At least some.  I never fully bought into the idea that it was saving people from getting booted out of their house.  Mortgages adjust slowly&#8230;I have this odd feeling that most of the really bad cases were already so far underwater by the time the rate cuts came through that it didn&#8217;t help them anyway.  </p>
<p>There are days the paranoid and conspiracy theory part of my brain really thinks the rate cuts were for somebody else.  Eventually Ben and friends will have inflated the currency enough that the dollar values listed on those mortgage CDO&#8217;s will match the values on the houses again.  Tada! Problem fixed, right?</p>
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		<title>Von: zenki</title>
		<link>http://www.ridingthedax.com/2008/06/09/fed-to-follow-in-ecbs-footsteps/#comment-267</link>
		<dc:creator>zenki</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Jun 2008 04:41:12 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.ridingthedax.com/2008/06/09/fed-to-follow-in-ecbs-footsteps/#comment-267</guid>
		<description>are u f...kin kiddin me?

LOL, sorry for the language.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>are u f&#8230;kin kiddin me?</p>
<p>LOL, sorry for the language.</p>
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		<title>Von: Eric</title>
		<link>http://www.ridingthedax.com/2008/06/09/fed-to-follow-in-ecbs-footsteps/#comment-266</link>
		<dc:creator>Eric</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Jun 2008 02:03:26 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.ridingthedax.com/2008/06/09/fed-to-follow-in-ecbs-footsteps/#comment-266</guid>
		<description>I hope you're right, Oli. I think what is needed NOW is a concerted (meaning, SERIOUS) and global (meaning, by ALL CENTRAL BANKS) effort to combat inflation. That isn't gonna' happen unless and until the U.S. Federal Reserve is firmly on board. I suspect some of their foot-dragging might be election-year posturing, so maybe we'll all have to suffer a bit more inflation until after the U.S. prez elections are safely behind us. Then, look out above and below!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I hope you&#8217;re right, Oli. I think what is needed NOW is a concerted (meaning, SERIOUS) and global (meaning, by ALL CENTRAL BANKS) effort to combat inflation. That isn&#8217;t gonna&#8217; happen unless and until the U.S. Federal Reserve is firmly on board. I suspect some of their foot-dragging might be election-year posturing, so maybe we&#8217;ll all have to suffer a bit more inflation until after the U.S. prez elections are safely behind us. Then, look out above and below!</p>
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